John Tyler, carpenter

Ari’s 5x great-grandfather, John Tyler, was born in Huddington, Worcestershire, in 1811. I haven’t found his baptism or parents yet.

On 25 Nov 1833, he married Sarah Perkins at St John the Baptist in Crowle.

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The church when we visited in October 2017.

The first record we can actually see is the 1841 census. This shows the family in Sale Green, with a daughter Mary (born in 1839), Sarah’s mother Elizabeth (Betty), and a ten-year-old, Mary Hughes.

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Bluebells in Trench Wood, Sale Green.
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1841 census found on Findmypast (Ancestry had the name transcribed as Tigler).

John is working as an agricultural labourer. (It’s possible that they had a son, William, in 1836, baptised in Upton Snodsbury which is close by, and is also where Mary was baptised. If so, I am not sure what happened to William, but a later son was given William as a middle name.)

By the time of the next census, in 1851, two more children have been born, Ann (Angelina) and James. John is working as a carpenter, and they are still in Sale Green. By 1861 two more sons have been born, Frederick William and Caleb. (In 1871 we see that Frederick, now 19, is also a carpenter.) In 1881, the family is living next door to daughter Angelina, and two of her children (Fanny and Elizabeth Sheppard, age 12 and 10) are at John’s house. Two of John and Sarah’s sons, James and Caleb, are still at home and working as agricultural labourers.

The 1891 census shows John all alone, at the age of 79, and described as a retired carpenter. His death certificate shows that he died aged 84, on 26 May 1894. His son James was present at the death.

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He was buried at the church in Crowle on 31 May, and an announcement was placed in the Worcestershire Chronicle on 2 June.

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Ari, this is how you are related to John:

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A marriage mystery

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I have told the story of my paternal grandparents’ marriage already (in this post). When the FamilySearch website added the collection called “South Africa, Transvaal, Civil Marriages, 1870-1930” earlier this month, I hoped I’d find the record.

And I did:

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This says that, on 28 October 1930, Ludwig Feinstein and Rose Hurwitz were married. He was 30, born in Latvia and a manufacturer living at 6 Olivia Rd, Johannesburg. She was 22, born in the Transvaal, no occupation, living at 20 O’Reilly Street. In the column for “banns or licence”, it says banns. In the column for “with or without antenuptial contract”, it says with. The witnesses included a J. Hurwitz (presumably Rose’s brother John).

But there was another record:

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This one says that the marriage took place on 28 January 1929. His name is given as Louis Feinstein, 28, born in Russia, and a commercial traveller living at 33 Joel Rd, Berea, Johannesburg. Rose is 21 and a bookkeeper, with the same birthplace and address as above. In the column for banns or licence, it says “special licence no. 22220, 28/1/29”, and it was without an antenuptial contract. The witnesses included a P. G. Nande and a name that could be Middleton.

Another difference is that the earlier document doesn’t say that they were Jewish, and is signed by a magistrate, whereas the later one does, and is signed by a minister. So maybe this means that the first was a civil marriage and the second was the religious one? I am not sure, but hoping that someone will tell me.

This clip of a 1929 Johannesburg map shows the streets mentioned in Berea:

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(See this blog for the whole map.)

I’d like to see if I can get a copy of the antenuptial contract from the archives.

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Lydia Roper of Wirksworth and Cromford

One of Ari’s 7x great-grandmothers was Lydia Roper, the mother of Alice Holmes. She was born, probably in Wirksworth, Derbyshire, in about 1749.

On 28 September 1774, she married Samuel Holmes at St Mary’s in Wirksworth.

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Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932, Ancestry.co.uk

They seem to have had at least ten children, but three of them, Mary (4), Thomas (3) and Lydia, all died young in 1783. Another Lydia was born and died in 1792 at four months, and a son William died young in 1795.

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Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812on Ancestry.co.uk

Lydia died in Feb 1825 and was buried in Wirksworth. The record gives us her age (76), tells us that she was the widow of Samuel, and also tells us that she was living in Cromford.

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I would like to find her baptism and parents.

Ari, this is how you are related to Lydia:

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Ruth Brelsford, Primitive Methodist?

One of Ari’s 5x great-grandmothers was Ruth Brelsford, born in about 1824 in Middleton by Wirksworth, Derbyshire. Her father was William, a lead miner, and her mother was Mary Flint. She was their fifth child and first daughter.

I haven’t found a baptism record, so the first time we see her is in the 1841 census, aged 15, living with her parents and siblings in Hillside, Middleton.

On 27 February 1953 she married a hatter called John Wheeldon at St Mary’s in Wirksworth.

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Marriage certificate, Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 on Ancestry

By 1851 Ruth and John had three children, William, Joseph, and John. They were living at Moorside, Cromford.

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Ruth’s widowed mother-in-law, Alice, was living with them.

1861 shows Ruth and John aged 37, with children John (12; working in a cotton factory), Samuel (9), Hannah (8), Mary (5) and Alice (2). They then moved to Holloway, Crich, where they can be seen in 1871. By now daughter Alice was 12 and also working in the mill, and Ruth had had two more daughters, Kezia (9) and Sarah Ann (5), both at school.

In 1881 they are in the same place and a visitor – James Hurd from Frome in Somerset – is staying with them. He was a Primitive Methodist Minister (see this page for his picture and biography).

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Derby Daily Telegraph, 6 July 1882 from Findmypast
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On former Scarthin Primitive Methodist Chapel, Cromford

Ruth’s husband John died a few months after the 1881 census, and in 1891 we can see her as the head of the household, with three daughters at home.

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1891 England census, Ancestry.

In 1901 Ruth was 77, living at Leashaw Rd, Dethick. Her daughter Kezia was still at home and working as a charwoman (she would marry the following year). Sarah Ann was also still single, working as a merino hosiery machinist. And Kezia’s daughter Sarah, born in 1895, was also living with them.

And finally we see Ruth, aged 87 in 1911, living with Kezia and her husband Andrew Lee, a hosiery worker, at Chapel House, Lea, Matlock Bath. She was described as an Old Age Pensioner.

Ruth died in the summer of the following year, 1912.

Ari, this is how you are related to Ruth:

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